Tuesday, June 17, 2008

Guns are people too.......

I have heard the first part of this story about the young girl in NY that was shot with a “stray” bullet. It is a tragic story that deserves to be heard. However, like many people that claim to be journalists, this particular “journalist” puts things in the common and usual “liberal” light.

This is actually quite sad. Because I am sure that he actually paid for the “education” he received. Or maybe not… I don’t really know.

It is funny to me that they are trying to do the same thing now with guns, that they have tried and continue to try with the “evil” SUV.

Here is the whole story and then I will add my comments...

'Neighborhood' Gun Tied to Girl's Death
'Everyone in the Neighborhood Uses That Gun,' Suspect Allegedly Says
By SCOTT MICHELS
June 17, 2008

A teenager is expected to plead not guilty today to charges that he shot and killed a 10-year-old girl with a "
community gun" that he allegedly claims was shared by "everyone in the neighborhood."

Kathina Thomas was killed late last month after a stray bullet, allegedly fired by 15-year-old Jermayne Timmons, struck her in the back. The crime has shocked the city of Albany and prompted law enforcement to ramp up a crackdown on so-called community guns — weapons that are shared among alleged gang members.

Law enforcement officials say gangs across the country stash and share weapons, often in abandoned buildings, in an attempt to circumvent gun control laws and avoid being caught with a gun that has been tied to a crime.

"If the area is somewhat controlled by a gang group, they will often have weapons in the area. It's there in close proximity and if trouble does break out someone can get to it," said Andrew Grascia, a longtime gang investigator and president of the New York Gang Investigator's Association.

"It shows how dangerous a single firearm can be. When you have multiple people who have access to it, it broadens its reach on the street," he said.

According to a statement Timmons gave police, he was riding his bike with his friends on May 29 when he fired a shot at a group of teenagers after he thought he saw one of them pull a gun. Police believe the bullet hit and killed Kathina Thomas.
Afterwards, Timmons put the gun in a garbage can outside the Ida Yarborough Houses because "
everyone in the neighborhood uses that gun and that's where we keep it," Timmons allegedly told police.

Timmons was charged as an adult with second-degree murder. His attorney said he would plead not guilty at his arraignment today, but declined to comment further.
Timmons' mother did not return a phone message, but in an interview with the Albany Times Union she disputed that her son was a gang member.

"That's all hearsay at this point," Mosetta Timmons told the paper. "He was an average teenager, with good days and bad days."

Kathina's death has galvanized the city. Hundreds, including the mayor and district attorney, mourned at her funeral.

"It's brought us together and everyone in the community, it seems, has come together to say that enough is enough," said the Rev. Edward Smart, pastor of the AME Zion church.

It has also focused attention on so-called community guns. As law enforcement has made obtaining and transporting guns more difficult, gangs have sought new ways to make weapons available to large groups of people, said Det. Bruce Ferrell of the Omaha Police Gang Intelligence Unit.

Community guns also help criminals avoid being caught with a weapon, he said.
"In the 1980s and early 1990s, they were throwing those guns in the river. But they aren't doing that anymore," Ferrell said.

"Before we tended to believe that a lot of guns were being stolen. In our area, we have found that not to be the truth," he said. "A lot of times they pass it around to other gang members or may trade it for drugs. They don't discard them as often as they used to."

The problem of community guns is not limited to Albany. Investigators in Suffolk County, N.Y., recently recovered a gun that has been linked to the execution-style murders of three students in a Newark, N.J., schoolyard and may have been involved in at least two other out-of-state murders. The Suffolk County district attorney's office believes the gun may have moved to New York through a gang network that has a custom of recycling guns used in violent crimes.

Within the last year, police in cities such as Cleveland, Trenton, Philadelphia and Boston have found troves of weapons in abandoned buildings that they believe were shared among criminals.

To combat community weapons, the Albany County district attorney is asking owners of all vacant lots and buildings — attractive locations for shared guns — in the city to give police permission to search their property at any time.

Of the 1,300 requests, so far 320 property owners have agreed and 10 have refused, according to the district attorney's office. John Fenimore, president of the Capital District Association of Rental Property Owners, said the request from the district attorney's office was "too broad" and that he would not sign it.


I don’t seem to even know where to begin….

Let’s start with gun controlBecause we all know that makes us safer. Which person in this “community” submitted to the background check? Did they have to wait the time that NY makes their law abiding citizens wait? Or maybe since this is a “community” gun they didn’t have to do the background check. Wait a minute; these guys are trying to go around the gun control laws? But I thought gun control will keep crime down… Oh wait … Never mind … Apparently not.

Now the Libtards just say to “give them stiffer penalties” yeah that will fix it. In fact that is why they have these “community” guns so they don’t get caught with one. Since getting caught with one will get them a stiffer penalty. But wait the Libtards are smart right? (…let me contain my laughter, and then I will continue…) So did they know that they would in fact screw this up too? Just like everything else they “try” to do.

I do have to say these guys (the criminals) are smart; at least tactically. A weapon is a much more advantage than a cell phone to call a cop- who might make it there about 5 min or so after the fact. Then we have the idiot of the minute, Andrew Grascia – in his BRILLIANT assessment of the situation…."It shows how dangerous a single firearm can be. When you have multiple people who have access to it, it broadens its reach on the street.” WELL, there you have it. Guns are not only evil and dangerous; they are also so smart that it can have “reach” by getting unwitting people to share in its evil plan to take over the world.

Oh … then we have a mom that is completely in denial about her son. Saying that the fact that her son is in a gang, “is hearsay” at this point. I wonder who she thinks also “share” this gun that is a “community gun”. I mean… I like my neighbors but they don’t need to be touching any of my firearms.

This young lady's death has given many hoplophobic people, a new avenue to push their fears off onto others. Not to mention the opportunistic political people.

All these people of the gang community are not passing background checks, they are not getting a permit to carry a handgun, they are not being forced to submit to a FBI investigation, and fingerprinting, etc. So why are law abiding citizens required to do so? Simple, the government is afraid of the people. But more specifically the citizenry armed and trained with firearms.

The most disturbing item in the article by far is that these people in the “people friendly” government; and the DA in this area are asking people to give up their constitutional rights. They have sent out 1300 requests, to people to sign over their freedoms to “have a little security”. But I guess they were brain washed (re-educated) in their “college” by their liberal fascist professors; so that they don’t know the thought of Benjamin Franklin.

Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly's reply to the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

But that was the past, and you can hardly find anyone today that has the same or even similar point of view…

And as far as the 10 that refused, they should be proud of themselves. I hope many more will do so.

With all this being said, let us look at what the FBI thinks. They estimate that there are @200,000,000 (That is - two hundred million)guns in the united states in the hands of citizens. Also in the year 2000(I know I need to update my year) they thought that 66% of all murders (15,517 - 100%) were commited by people using guns (or if you are a liberal, 10,241 guns ran out and murdered people). That leaves 199,989,756 (That is - one hundred ninety nine million nine hundred eighty nine thousand seven hundred fifty six) guns that did not kill anyone. And taking the 200mil as a 100% figure, then .0051205% (That is - fifty one thousand two hundred five ten millionths of one percent)of the guns in America killed anyone in the year 2000. This isn't to say that every life lost wasn't precious. This is to keep the "out-of-control crisis" in context.

I don’t see the reason for many things. I don’t know why young children want to be adults; and adults want to be young again, and forever. I do know a few things. And one of these things is that the firearm is an equalizer, that levels the playing field. It will help an elderly woman or man defend themselves against a stronger attacker or force (even more than one). It can make Governments tremble in their shoes, and realize that their power is in the people that they were elected to govern, not in themselves.

Some people learn the hard way. Others can learn from someone else’s mistakes.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

If we're electing our governments to govern us then- correct me if I'm wrong here- but they should be able to able to control us, to some extent; to protect us from all the "bad" people. So, you might want to make your point more clear- are you in favour of everyone having guns then? Because I'm sure there are a lot of angry mothers out there that would disagree with you. You don't think we should do anything about how many deaths are gun related? You said what? 66% (I'm assuming you did your research right). And that's ok with you? or do you think those deaths would happen anyway, but by another weapon? I don't know about you, but I think it's easier to pull a trigger -to accident kill someone with a ricocheted bullet- than it is to stab somebody enough times that it is fatal. And besides, there's other ways of protecting yourself than with a gun- police don't always use guns, and they face these people everyday. You may say that, they're trained though, but I say, most of the people aren't trained in the use of their weapon. So you get stuff happening like that lady who short that other lady after a road-rage incident because SHE felt threatened. So if you think how all of the governments are wrong in how they are approaching this subject- why don't you tell us how it should be solved? Maybe we should elect you! You seem to think you're smarter than a politician that went to law school.

Mr. Smith said...

You are wrong by the way. The government is not to "control" us in any way shape or form. They are here to ensure the collective safety, and that is about it.

I don't really care about angry mothers who disagree with me. They have every right to believe whatever they want. Numbers don't make your argument right. Majority does not equal the truth.

I did not give any numbers except the ones I got from the FBI uniform crime stats.

You apparently you don’t know too much about the area of death and physiology. One stab wound in the right spot and you bleed out in less than 1 minute. So yes it is as easy to kill with any tool. Or just by choking someone you can “choke them out” to irreversible brain damage in less than a minute.

Thanks for the lecture on protecting myself, but I don’t need your advice. I (not bragging, just the facts) have 3 black belts in different systems, and am an advanced Hand to Hand Combat instructor. This also includes firearms self-defense and defensive shooting.

There are a lot of tragedies that happen on a daily basis… but regulating firearms will not solve the problem. If you are fair, look at every “school shooting” or “mass shooting” and EVERY ONE of them are in “gun free zones”.

Australia spent hundreds of millions of dollars to rid us of the “evils of the gun”. Only to see a huge increase of gun deaths (of law abiding citizens of course), armed robberies (with non-existent guns of course), and armed invasions in homes while people are home, because they know that the law abiding citizens will not be armed.

Thanks for your vote. And yes most people that come out of the esteemed “law schools” of this great country, are little more than polished college bred idiots. You see, academia does not do it’s job anymore… they used to actually teach people HOW to think. Now we have schools teaching WHAT to think. These masses of indoctrinated morons, run around screaming… “you are only smart if you have a degree”.

Oh and yes, I am smarter than Obama, my IQ is about 25-30 points higher (Again,not bragging, just the facts). Most of my learning is done in books or in a Library, not from a Libtard Socialist professor, or hate spewing preacher. But since I don’t have an esteemed piece of paper saying so, I guess you are right… me is dumb.