Nort Illinois University Shooting

Here is another story about some crazy wacko gunning people down. This time from the LA Times. But if they continue to put these stories up and continue to dominate news cycles. It will lead to more shootings, because it is a perverted way of getting your 15 min. of fame and to go out with a bang (no pun intended), and be in the history books too.

We will start with the heading….

Gunman kills 6 at N. Illinois U

The ex-graduate student opens fire from a lecture hall stage with a shotgun and two handguns, then kills himself.

LET ME START… by saying, this shooting will baffle the “experts” and the “highly educated” folks in the world because they will have a hard time coming up with a motive. At least yet. (2-15-08 7:00am)

DEKALB, ILL. -- A gunman dressed all in black stepped on stage in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University on Thursday and opened fire on a geology class.A short time later, five students were dead and the gunman had killed himself on the lecture hall stage. Sixteen others were wounded, at least two of them critically.

What have we learned so far? We have learned that an Ex-GRAD student of the same college took guns to class. Which is a big no-no in schools…and shot a lot of people. WAIT A MINUTE I thought that the STATE of Illinois had a lot of gun control laws. And you are not legally allowed to carry guns on school campi anywhere !? You mean a law that some stuff shirt idiot on Capitol Hill wrote a bill that was ignored by a criminal in the commission of a crime… HOW CAN THIS BE???? Oh wait…only law abiding citizens are affected by gun control laws because they ACTUALLY obey the laws. But the criminals will not, because they are criminals.

Lets continue...

Early Friday, the DeKalb County coroner said another student shot at the lecture hall had died, bringing the toll to seven, including the gunman. It was the fifth school shooting in a week in the U.S.

If you look at this short part you will see a couple of things. There is a positive side of the story. The person that committed this horrific crime, is now dead. And that is a guarantee that he won’t do this again.

The other thing I get from this is the way they phrase the last statement. “It was the fifth school shooting in a week in the US”… To me it is as if they were hoping for more. Just so they can get on their soap boxes and show the unwashed masses of the country how horrible guns are…

I am one that has come to believe that the reason that schools are such “good” targets is the fact that no one is armed there EXCEPT the criminal. And in turn, the criminal knows they have a tactical advantage and they don’t worry about some one stopping them. They know the Police can’t do anything until they get there, and by that time it is too late. They also know that since this is an “esteemed place of academia” and the people there are more intelligent than us knuckle draggers; they won’t have guns. Right, because only those with diminished intelligence would use such a crude and wretched weapon like a gun…. Or maybe, the gunman is just a sadistic son of a b*^$+, that gets off on watching people be afraid of him. But then again, I was not there… But he was a grad student from THEIR university…He was in sociology…maybe he was a sociopath…maybe he was just disturbed…maybe he was brain washed…or maybe he was a killer his whole life and just hadn’t killed anyone yet…What are they teaching there I wonder? I am sure whatever the reason is, some tree hugging libtard will figure out (you know because they are smarter than you) that it wasn’t his fault.

It probably happened because he was hugged too much…or too little. He was put in time-out too much…or too little. Or he was spanked too much … or too little. Or he was teased in school too much…or too little.

But what ever it is you can bet that it was any or all of the following…talk radio (conservative of course)… the NRA…some racist hate group (but only if people of minorities were shot)…and of course you can’t leave out the vast right wing conspiracy…

But enough of my rambling lets continue...

The violence at Northern Illinois unfolded about 3 p.m., as the entry-level ocean sciences class was wrapping up. The gunman -- described as a former graduate student -- stepped out from behind a black curtain on the lecture hall stage, armed with a shotgun and two handguns, police said. He first shot the instructor, who survived, and then began firing into the seats, filled with at least 100 students, authorities said.

Do you think he knew that no one had a gun but him? I would bet ( way more than I bet on the superbowl) that he did in fact know. In fact I bet (and would bet my life savings) he was counting on it.

Desiree Smith, 21, was taking notes on continental drift when out of the corner of her eye she saw a figure in a black ski cap step onto the stage, beside the instructor."He was holding this huge gun," she said. "I couldn't even process it. He stood there with the gun pointing down, almost like an action-movie poster -- that's what he looked like for a second. Then he lifted it up and shot at my teacher."

Not to be rude or anything to this young lady… but I wonder if she ever has shot a gun? Also was she speaking to the enormity of one of the pistols or of the shotgun? Does she know the difference between a shotgun, and a rifle, or an assault rifle? … The reason I ask is… my wife grew up around guns (she grew up on a farm) and she asked me a while back what the difference between a rifle and a shotgun. So going back to the question… did they interview the people that they believe to be the most hysterical and “strange to guns” … so they can get the most ignorant / hysterical point of view to exploit them…? Again I am not denigrating or belittling this young lady in the least. Because the media uses people to their own ends.

Smith dropped to the ground. Under the chair, she locked eyes with another student. They stared at one another in terrified stillness. Then the other student began to move. Afraid of being left alone, Smith followed her, clambering on elbows and knees up the aisle."I could feel people bumping me, crawling over me. Everyone was pushing, clawing at the ground, trying to get out as soon as possible," Smith said.When she got to the door, she could barely make herself stand. "All I could think was, 'I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die.' " She forced herself to get up, as shots and screams rang out behind her. "I'm sure I was running really fast, but it felt like slow motion," she said. Only when she had made her way into another building -- into an office, with the door locked behind her -- did Smith realize she had made it out uninjured."I kept thanking God, over and over," she said. "I didn't even know what else to do."

I pray for this young lady. She reacted exactly as she should have. Without a firearm to protect her-self, she was in no tactical position to do anything. She experienced something called the “Fight or Flight” response. It is an adrenaline dump that happens when you are confronted with a traumatic or dangerous situation… This young lady should be proud of herself, that she did exactly what she needed to do in the situation. Being from a city. I understand the idea of shootings, drive by’s to be exact. You must realize that in these type of situations, you have no control unless you are armed yourself. In her case you could have possibly done something… however in a drive by it is best to just kiss the pavement and seek cover.

This is assuming that the shooter was out of her arms reach. Given the opportunity… if a few of those students had been carrying a concealed firearm, and was proficient at shooting; This could have ended much sooner and maybe better with only the shooter being killed?

But since the gun control people have made our University’s / College’s safer by not allowing people / students to have guns there… Right?

John Puterbaugh, a senior, was in the building next door when the first survivors burst in and began barricading themselves in offices.Puterbaugh, the editor in chief of the campus newspaper, tried to talk to the witnesses; some broke down in tears, shaking, while others recounted the horror in flat, distant tones.One student in particular, Puterbaugh said, was in such shock that he seemed to be retelling the plot of a movie, "like it wasn't even real to him . . . as if he hadn't just seen a gunman open fire on his class."

So now what do we have here…. A “journalist” of the campus newspaper… directly after they have possibly survived the most traumatic situation they have ever experienced. Instead of trying to comfort them …HE starts to interview them…. Well I guess … just leave it up to a journalist to not give a damn about people as long as he gets his scoop… Right…

You can say that it is therapeutic for people to “vent” or “tell their story” but that is not the place. These young people will never forget what they have experienced. Not saying they can’t cope and deal with what they have gone through. But …lets move on.


Associate Dean W. William Minor saw students pouring out of Cole Hall -- and police arriving en masse, guns drawn -- but could not make sense of the scene."I thought someone must have called in a bomb threat," he said.Within minutes of the shooting police had locked down the campus, posted an alert on the university website about a "possible gunman on campus" and began e-mailing students.University President John Peters did not release the gunman's name but said he had been enrolled as recently as last spring as a graduate student in sociology at Northern Illinois.The 25,000-student campus is located in DeKalb, a semirural community about an hour's drive west of Chicago.

I have a few problems with this little bit…

The cops got there… but it was too late.
Once they get there they post a note on the website, and send e-mails
They assume that since they are not in Chicago…They are safe.

But this would have been much easier with the following. IF people would just understand that “guns” themselves are not the enemy. The real enemy are the idiots that commit a crime. Now the libtards that believe that people are good normally just don’t get it… IF people would realize that sometimes they are responsible for their own destiny, and not the government (police) they will be better for it. The police had NO POWER to help any one there at the time, because they were NOT there. They only come when they are called.

People who understand tactics, understand when you are being attacked, your firearm is your first line of defense. The cops will come in time. But if you refuse to have a gun… you are putting your life in the hands of a person that will take it. And you can call the cops… and they will come… and take pictures of your dead body and try to find out who killed you…… and maybe find and or prosecute them. But that won’t bring you back to life…

"We are surrounded by corn," said Kei Nomaguchi, an assistant professor of sociology. "I am shocked that this happened on our campus." Another sociology professor, Charles Cappell, said he could not think of any graduate students who had seemed disgruntled or unbalanced.

I hate to say it… Wait no I don’t. These “professors” are flipping idiots. I can’t believe these people are allowed to teach anyone. I want to know why this “ass. prof. of sociology” is really “shocked” after all shouldn’t (I don’t know whether the prof. is a male or female…and I know this is sexist of me but I will assume that they are a he) he know about our society and the flaws therein? Maybe he doesn’t think that evil people exist. And the other “prof of sociology” doesn’t know that most serial killers are described by their neighbors as “normal” and “nice guys” and that all their neighbors are “shocked” that they can be a serial killers.

I guess my grandfather was right … there are such a thing as “college bred idiots”.

But lets continue…he (2nd prof.) continues to say...

"We all have incredibly heavy hearts," he said.

Yes lets bring it back to our feelings............... You think jackass... Heavy hearts... You think....
Sorry I have to move on because my head will blow up if I don't...

Security had been stepped up on the campus in December, after students found menacing graffiti, including racial slurs, in a dorm bathroom. The scrawled note described last year's shooting at Virginia Tech -- which left 32 students and faculty dead -- as unfinished and warned of major changes to come at Northern Illinois.

Apparently not enough…or not the right kind at least……

Peters told a news conference he had "no reason to believe" the graffiti was related to Thursday's shooting, though police will investigate. The graffiti explicitly targeted African Americans; the gunman in Cole Hall appeared to be firing at random.

Well I guess we can all rest easier knowing the shooter wasn’t racist… Right?

University Police Chief Donald Grady said the assailant was found dead on the stage. Both of his handguns still had ammunition in them. Gun magazines were scattered across the floor.

What would have happened if our government really believed in the constitution and bill of rights… and someone would have “packing heat”. Would this situation have been differently?

Four of his victims were found dead in the lecture hall; the fifth was pronounced dead at a hospital.

I think this is a interesting statement… because yes they were victims… but were they willing or forced?… I am not one to sue for much or maybe even anything… but maybe someone should sue the government of Illinois… for not allowing their young son or daughter to protect themselves against this idiot…Maybe if they have to pay out a few hundred million dollars … THAT might make them rethink the issue…Or it might not… they would just raise everyone’s taxes I guess….

Several of the wounded made their way out of the lecture hall as the gunman was firing.Ben Gross, 22, said he was working at the office of the campus newspaper, the Northern Star, when he heard a "shots fired" bulletin on the police scanner. He raced to Cole Hall -- and then followed a trail of blood about 100 yards to the student center.In the campus bookstore, he saw a wounded student surrounded by paramedics.Other victims fled to a nearby dorm, Neptune Hall.

I wonder if this reporter waited to try to interview the victims…? I am not trying to be insensitive to the situation. Just trying to point out that sometimes the media doesn’t know when the time is appropriate to interview people and splash their lives all over the news.

Andrew Patten, a sophomore who had been walking through the area when the shots broke out, followed the wounded into Neptune Hall and treated a student with gunshots to the leg and hand. Someone handed him a first-aid kit, he said; next thing he knew, he was pressing gauze on the wounds and talking to the student about anything he could think of just to keep him conscious. He stayed until paramedics arrived."It's still kind of sinking in what actually happened," said Patten, 20.

I am proud of this man. He is a true leader. Helping when he is needed.

The shooting followed a string of violence in schools.

At least the writers at the LA Times have a real grip on the obvious…

Last Friday, a woman shot two students to death and killed herself at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge. Also Friday, a man shot at his wife, a teacher, in an elementary school in Portsmouth, Ohio. This week, a high school student in Memphis, Tenn., was shot, allegedly by a classmate, during gym class. And a 15-year-old was shot at a junior high in Oxnard; he has been declared brain-dead.

And guns are to blame right? Or does it say a “woman shot” or a “Man shot” or a “student shot”? I am sure that the people were just pawns in the guns evil plan…. Right?… or is there a more ugly issue, a more underlying issue here?

In DeKalb, federal and state investigators worked late into the night Thursday, swarming the campus and setting up floodlights around Cole Hall, a two-story, red-brick building.

What is the job of the police again…? To protect and serve… if you didn’t know…But that does not do you any good if they don’t show up until about 20 minutes after the fact. Does it? Why are we too afraid to do what our Founding Fathers did and take up arms against those that do wrong to us?

With midnight approaching, law enforcement officers shot out the window of a white Honda Civic they thought belonged to the gunman and sent a bomb-detecting robot to circle the car. Police dogs were searching the area, which was blanketed in more than a foot of snow.

All this and they still can not have the crime preventing power on one “believer in the bill of rights” in the class. And if people in general would stop choosing to be victims to the idiots that do these kinds of things, maybe those that do these kinds of things would think twice about doing them in the first place…

While some students huddled together in their dorms, or tried to work through the trauma with counselors, Michelle Johansson, 19, said she had to leave campus. She no longer felt safe.
"I'm getting out of here," Johansson said, climbing into her car. "I just want to go home right now."

And the truth be told. No criminal (with any weapon) and the intent on murder cares two shakes about any law outlawing any weapon he has in hand, or can get, or make. I mean after all isn’t murder illegal too? So if the criminal does not care about the law when it comes to murder… why do you think he cares about another law… like not carrying a gun into a school…

Our world is a fallen one. Evil people live here. People do bad things. And bad things happen to good people. People have a choice in life… they can choose to be or not to be a victim. They can “wait for the police” and deal with the consequences of their actions. Or they can choose to use their God given right. And fight back against the evil and the injustice of the criminals.

Evil is here, and until the end of things, it is not going away. You can fight it. Or you can be consumed by it.

And as the moral fibers of our society continue to be unraveled by those that don’t have any… we will see more of this type of situation. Criminals know where and how to take advantage. But the “educated” keep telling the general population that the police are the ones to protect us from the criminals. But tell that to the families of these unfortunate young people.

What is your choice?

Below are the people who wrote the original article. They have all the credit for the articles contents… I just comment on their writing…

p.j.huffstutter@latimes.com
stephanie.simon@latimes.com
ralph.vartabedian@latimes.com

Huffstutter reported from DeKalb, Simon from Denver and Vartabedian from Los Angeles. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Original - By Stephanie Simon, Ralph Vartabedian and P.J. Huffstutter, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers 4:29 AM PST, February 15, 2008